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Train Wrecks and Being Bushwacked in the Land of Oz – Bill Peace, Danny Robert and Nadina LaSpina report on the Oz Show

As we reported last week, several NDYers and other disability activists went to the taping of the “Dr. Oz” show on assisted suicide.  We were able to share the impressions of a disabled man who is part of the Final Exit Network (FEN) who came away feeling that the staff of the show was dishonest and disrespectful in dealing with him and discussing any accommodations to his disability. 

Last Friday, Bill Peace, one of the disability activists who attended the show as a “select audience member, posted a long report on his experiences in a post titled “Dr. Oz on Assisted Suicide: A Train Wreck.”  Below is the opening paragraph:
Last week I received an email from Stephen Drake, research analyst, for Not Dead Yet. He wrote that he and Diane Coleman might be on a syndicated television program called Doctor Oz. The subject was assisted suicide, not exactly the usual afternoon television fodder. To say I was skeptical would be too generous—daytime television is not exactly known for quality programming and I had never heard of Dr. Oz. As it turns out Drake and Coleman could not appear. I decided to attend knowing some members of Not Dead Yet would be present as well. I had three concerns: first, the daytime television model is for tear jerking, maudlin depictions of any issue and this would undermine any serious discussion. Second, would the show use people with a disability as mere window dressing for the viewing audience. Third, would the show be grossly biased. My concerns were well placed. The taping of the show was in my opinion a train wreck. It was an amazingly horrible experience. All my concerns came to fruition. In fact I would go as far as say the show, its host and producers were unethical.
That really is just the beginning.  You can read the rest at his blog “Bad Cripple.”
Danny Robert and Nadina LaSpina also attended the show taping as part of the “select audience.”  Both Danny and Nadina are long-time activists with ADAPT, DIA and NDY.  (Nadina is also a member of the NDY Board of Directors) Below is a an account of the experience from both of them:
BushwhackedintheLandofOz

Danny Robert & Nadina LaSpina

WednesdaywasadarkandrainywindydayhereintheBigApple.We were invited to be part of a taping for the Dr. Oz Show on the topic of assisted suicide. Ourcarservicepickupwasscheduledfor7:15AM.Wecouldn’tfindthevanwhichwasparkedfarfromourdoor andgotsoakedbutwegottotheaccessibleentranceto30Rockbefore8:00.

JulieMaury,BillPeace,HopeDerogatisandAriNe’eman, all people with disabilities and disability rights advocates,werealreadythere.We had each been interviewed by producers prior to being invited to appear on the show. WeweredirectedtoalargeelevatortothesixthfloorwhereweallshowedourIDsandweregivenourtickets.Wewerereceivedverycordially,withbigbrightsmiles,bytheproductionstaffwhoalllookedlikehighschoolcheerleaders.“Areyouexcitedtobeontheshow?” oneofthemasked.“AsmuchasIamwhenIgotothedentist,” Nadinaanswered.

ThoughwehadneverseentheDr.Ozshow,weexpectedittobelowquality,shallowand(especiallyhavingreadSteve’sblog)extremelybiased.ButwehadnoideaofhowgreatthebiasandhowblatantthehostilitythatawaitedusinOz’sstudiowouldbe.

Wewerebroughtbacktotheelevatorandthenescortedintoasmall“holdingroom.”Withsomedifficulty,weallsqueezedin.Dr.Byock, a palliative care doctor who opposes assisted suicide,stoppedintointroducehimselfandweallpleasantlyshookhands. He was scheduled to be on the small expert panel, and we were scheduled to be in the pro-or-con segment of the audience.

Wetalkedamongourselves,decidingwhowouldmakewhichpoint.Verynaively,wethoughtwewouldallgetachancetospeak.Thenayoungman,accompaniedbysomeonewithavideocamera,enteredandintroducedhimselfasGreg.Hesaid he was a producer and askedustoarticulateouroppositiontophysicianassistedsuicide.Eachofushadsomethingtosay and helistenedandaskedquestions.Heexplainedthatinthefirstsegmentoftheshow,Dr.Ozwouldbringouthisspecialguest,MontelWilliams,whowouldexplainwhyheisinfavorofassistedsuicide,thenDr.Ablowwouldargueagainst,andthenawomanwithALSwouldbebroughtout.Gregaskedthatwenotinterruptorheckle,andthatwewouldgetachancetospeakafterthewomanwithALS.
Montelgaveadramaticperformance,grabbinghislegsfromtimetotimewhilehespoke,hisfacecontortedinpain.Hesaidhewantstohaveawayoutwhenthepaingetsunbearableandhewantstodiewithdignity.Dr.Ablowgavesomegoodarguments,saying “Iwouldneverlegallyallowphysicianstodecidewhoshouldliveandwhoshoulddie…physicianassistedsuicideisaslipperyslope…”ButrightfromthestartitwasveryobviousthatDr.Ozandmostofhisaudiencewerenotinterestedinhearinganyargumentsagainst.

ThenDr.OzintroducedDana,anAfricanAmericanwomaninherlate40sorearly50swithALS.Herattendantrolledhertoaspotrightinfrontofthepanel.Shesatinamanualchair,somewhatreclined,wearingaventilatormask.Avideoplayedonthebigscreens,showingDanabeforetragedyhit,healthy,strong,athletic… (very exploitative). Thentheventilatormaskcameoff(theventilatoralarmedbriefly)andDanabegantospeak.ShesaidshehadbeenlivingwiththeprogressionofALSfor8yearsandshewastired.Shehatedhavingtodependonothersforhercareandshecouldn’ttakeitanymore.Shesaidshewasdepressed,lonely,hadnofriendsleftandshewantedtodie. Nadina and I looked at each other and said “that’s why she wants to die.” Nadina quickly jotted a note in preparation for her comments.

AsDana spoke,thesighsandthesnifflesfromtheaudiencekeptgettinglouder.Thecheerleaderswentaroundwithboxesoftissues,thebrightsmilesontheiryoungfacesnowreplacedbymournfulexpressions.

Dr.OzaskedDana’ssonhowitfelttolivewithhismom.Hesaiditwassadandthat,thoughhedidn’treallywanthertodie,healsodidn’twanthertosufferanymore.Dana’sdaughtersaid: “It’sheart-breaking,unbearabletowatchhersuffer.She’shadenough.”Dana’ssister,whohasherhealthcareproxy,reiterated:“Shecan’ttakeitanymore.She’ssufferedenough.”Itwasobvioustous(butIguesstonooneelse)thatthefamilyhad“hadenough.”

Greghadpromisedthatafterthebreak,wewouldhaveachancetospeak.AfterweheardDana,wedecidedthatIshouldgofirst,sincemyphysicalconditionis,outwardly,verysimilartohers, and my need for a ventilator is actually greater than hers.SoItoldmystory,includingmyMS diagnoses,thebreakupofmymarriage,howbleakthefutureappearedtomethen,andtheresultingnear-suicidaldepression.IsaidhowgladIwasthatnolethalprescriptionwasavailableformethen.Isaidthatmeetingdisabledpeopleandbecomingpartofanactivistcommunitygotmeoutofthedepression.ThatIfellinlovewithNadina18yearsagoand,inspiteofmylosingfunctionandattimesbecomingdepressed,Ileadafull,richandveryhappylife.

Nadinapickeduphereandsaidthatlosingfunctionoftenisaccompaniedbytemporarydepression,andthathavingavailablealethalprescriptionwouldbeverydangerousforsomeonewithaprogressivedisability.Thenshestartedsayingthatassistedsuicidewasusuallypresentedasa“choicefortheterminallyill,” buthereweweretalkingaboutpeople(Montel,Dana)whowerenotterminallyillbuthaddisabilities.Dr.Ozdidn’tlethercontinue.Hequicklywalkedawaywiththemike,whileNadinayelled“I’mnotfinished.”

During the break, Nadina complained to Dr. Oz that she had not been allowed to speak. “I’llcomebacktoyou,”hesaid.Buthenever did.

InthenextsegmentDr.Ozbroughtontwomorepanel guests,Dr.IraByockandBarbaraCoombsLee from Compassion and Choices. Dr.Byockwasverygood,statingtherewasnoneedforassistedsuicidegiventheavailabilityofgoodpalliativecare.HepointedouttoDanathatshecouldrefusetreatment.Hedidsoinaverygentleway.Heaskedher:“doyouwanttotellyourdoctors,maybenexttimeyou’rehospitalizedwithpneumonia,thatyou’drathernothavethemdoanything,letnaturetakeitscourse?”(Maybenothisexactwords,butsomethinglikethat).Danadidnotanswer.Dr.Ozquicklysteppedin.“Letheranswer” Nadinayelledout,“shedoesn’twanttodie.” ButDr.Ozhadquicklychangedthesubject.
Montelkeptrepeatinghewantedtomaintainhisdignity.Afewtimesweyelledout“Whatdoyoumeanbydignity?” and“Doyouthinkwehavenodignity?”
BarbaraCoombsLeedidn’tsaymuch.Shedidn’tneedto.Bythetimeshecameon,theargumentinfavorofassistedsuicidehadbeencompleted(ifthereeverwasan“argument”– fromthebeginningitwasclearwhichsideDr.Ozwasonandthattheshowhadbeenscripted). Dr.Ablowwasbooedafewtimes.Dr.Byockwasbooedwhenhesaid,“We’renottalkingaboutchoicebutaboutcontrol.Youwanttomakesureyoudiewithyourbootsonandmakeup.”
Everytimeanewsegmentstarted,Dr.Ozwouldsaythingslike:“Thequestiontodayis:dowehavetherighttoendourownlifeifwe’resuffering?” or“ifourqualityoflifehasdeteriorated?” Onthebigscreensthequestionwas:“Doyouthinkyouhavetherighttoendyourownlife?” (justassloppyandastheshow’s onlinesurvey, conflating suicide with assisted suicide, conflating the right to refuse treatment with assisted suicide).
Thefinalsegmentwassupposedtobequestionsandcommentsfromtheaudience.Weweredividedbyanaisle into pro and con.Duringthebreak,Nadinamanagedtogettheattentionoftheproducer,Greg,whointerviewedusbeforetheshow.“Dr.Ozdidn’tletmespeak,” shetoldhim.“NDYershaveauniqueperspective.Wewanttobeheard.” Heanswered:“I’msorry.”
Dr.Ozletaright-to-liferspeakbriefly.Hecalledme(Danny) ahero.AndMontelreplied:“let’s not pitpatientagainstpatient.”Julieyelledout:“We’repeoplenotpatients”, but without the microphone, none of us could be heard. Ahospicenursespokeagainstassistedsuicide,mentioninghowawoman’slifewasprolongedlongenoughforhertoholdhergrandchildinherarms.Butmostofthecommentswerefromtheother sideoftheroom.Horrorstoriesaboutpeoplemadetosuffer, told by someone other than the person, and you couldn’t tell the real cause of the suffering.
Nadina,Julie,Bill,HopeandArikeptraisingtheirhandsbutDr.Oztotallyignoredus. Oneguysaid:“TheseNotDeadYetmembersareselfish.They don’t care about people suffering. Theydon’twantanyonetohavechoice.” Weyelledout“It’stheotherwayaround.”
Dr.Ozkeptignoringus.Butatonepoint,hewasrightnexttoAriandArihadhishandraisedrightinfrontofDr.Oz’sface.Dr.Ozaskedhim:“Areyourighttolife?”Arianswered:“No,I’mwiththeNationalCouncilonDisability.”Dr.OzlethimspeakandAriwasgreat.HegavesomestatisticsaboutOregon,andeven mentionedtheLatimercase, the Canadian farmer who got a lot of support from the assisted suicide movement when he was prosecuted for murdering his 12-year-old daughter with cerebral palsy.
WetriedaftertheshowtoreachouttoDana.Julietriedtocatchupwithherandherfamily,butwaspushedawaybyDr.Oz’sproductionassistants.  AllofusNDYerswereextremelyfrustratedandagitated.Weallagreedwehadbeensetupandjustusedaswindowdressing.
Thataudiencewasamicrocosmofoursociety.Mosteveryoneinthataudiencewasconvincedthatdisabilityisafateworsethandeath.Mostofthoseinfavorofassistedsuicidethoughtwewereselfishforwantingtolivenomatterwhat.Others,liketheright-to-lifers,sittingalongsideus,sawusasheroicandsaintlyforputtingupwithwhattheyimaginedwasgreatsufferingandnotsuccumbingtosinfulthoughtsofsuicide. Sittinginthatstudio,wesawmoreclearlythaneverhowveryimportantNotDeadYet’sworkisandhowextremelydifficult.

My thanks to Bill, Danny, Nadina and all of the other disability activists who went through the ordeal or participating in what – in hindsight – is a circus masquerading as a show on health issues.  –Stephen Drake